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Zac
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Austria
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 :  16:13:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I am from Italy. Till a few years ago in my region a wine called Fragolino was very popular.
It was produced using some varieties (or species) of grape originary of America.
Because of some stupid law for protection of "local products", the sale of this wine and of the grape is now outlawed in Italy. Farmers are allowed to grow it for personal use but strictly not allowed to sell it.
Also wines produced from crossbreds of European and American grapes are no longer allowed.
In shops it is now possible to find something called Fragolino, but it is just chemically flavoured wine!

Since I do not like a Big-Brother that decides what I can eat and drink, I would be pleased to search for such a wine during my next travel to USA and take some bottles back home.

The problem is that I do not know what can be the American name of such wine. Can anybody help?

Thanks.

wdonovan
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USA
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Posted - 24 Dec 2005 :  12:31:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Google shows this wine in a number of online stores. Is this wine out of production? No more? Should I buy some right now if I ever want to taste it?
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Zac
Wannabe

Austria
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Posted - 25 Dec 2005 :  10:37:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi wdonovan,
The Fragolino you find on the market is no longer the real Fragolino: it is a wine produced using European grapes and then chemically flavoured.
The real Fragolino should be produced with American-origin grapes but, thanks to some dull protectionist politician, its production is now illegal in Italy.
Since the grapes were of American origin I suppose that in America you have an identical wine, although named differently.
The wine should be dark, sparkling and with a characteristic flavour of strawberries.
A description of the grape could also help in identifying the wine: the grape are small, with an hard skin; when eating it a layer of the pulp remains strongly attached to the skin (it is impossible to peel such a grape). Usually the skin is not munched because of its bitter flavour, while the pulp is very sweet and tastes like strawberries.
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Peter May
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Posted - 25 Dec 2005 :  11:17:36  Show Profile  Visit Peter May's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Zac
I remember reading about this wine some time ago. I believe it is made from a grape known in Italy as Fragola. According to Anthony Hawkin's Wine Grape Glossary it has some 50 synonyms, and is known in the US as Isabella. See www. stratsplace.com/hawkins/wgg.html#isabella

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MisterChris
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Posted - 26 Dec 2005 :  18:05:10  Show Profile  Visit MisterChris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sainsburys had some about 6 months ago, very pleasant after a hard days landscaping in the garden. Not seen it since though..

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wdonovan
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USA
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 :  16:59:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Big dissapointment. So the new stuff is junk? I read that the original had too much methanol for the likings of the Italian version of the FDA or BATF or Greenpeace or whoever!
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Zac
Wannabe

Austria
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Posted - 26 Jan 2006 :  16:40:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wdonovan,

I believed too that the reason was "too much methanol". It was the first thought that came to mind to explain this prohibition, but after making some research in Internet and in forums, this turned out to be an urban legend.
The actual reason for this law looks more like a misapplication of ecologism, protectionism, or clash of commercial interests.

Making more searches about the topic, I realized that this law cancelled many other wines from Europe (all the ones produced with grapes that don’t belong to the Vitis vinifera species).

Nowadays there is a lot of talk about protecting rare typical foods and cultivars in Europe, especially in Italy. The paradox is that these grapes and wines had since long become a typical local product for some Italian regions (in my area we had Fragolino and Clinto for example), but instead of being “protected” they have been eradicated.
Likewise, they could ban also potatoes, tomatoes and maize since they are not typically European...

Well… I look forward to my next travel to USA. I will take two bottles of outlawed ‘foxy’ wine back with me.

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scordelia
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Posted - 12 May 2006 :  15:18:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When exactly was "real" Fragolino bianco outlawed?

Also, you will not find exactly the same product in the US, but you can find similar products--mostly produced in the south. You might want to try scuppernong. Scuppernong is a relative of the Isabelle grape and also has a foxy character. There are several southern wine producers making a traditional American scuppernong wine.

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wdonovan
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USA
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Posted - 12 May 2006 :  17:55:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is Brachetta di Acqii of the same family? I recently had some and it reminded me of this old thread about a wine that I never had (Fragolino).
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Zac
Wannabe

Austria
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Posted - 12 Jul 2006 :  09:51:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Scordelia,
the non-Vitis-vinifera wines were forbidden in EU in 1999. Italy had already laws to restrict the diffusion of such wines (made in 1931), but only after 1999 the laws are become so strict (i.e. huge fines and eradication of cultivation if wine is produced to be sold - only personal use is allowed).
However the Fragolino Bianco (bianco=white) is not produced from Fragola/Isabella grapes but from Noah grapes (that are American varieties as well);
please see the Super Gigantic Y2K Winegrape Glossary for more details (www. wineloverspage.com/wineguest/wgg.html)

Thanks to this forum and to the internet, I could find a lot of new info about these American-varieties wines, that now are become one of my hobbies.
I traveled to the States last month and I finally managed to buy some of them. I agree that a wine expert would find them of lower qualities than Vitis vinifera ones, but a "lower quality" or a "bad" taste (often a personal opinion) is not a good reason to make something illegal, else a lot of other thing should be made illegal as well (from Italian cars to British marmite, ;-) ).

I managed however to find some Fragolino also in Europe. Switzerland, luckily, is not part of the EU and therefore produces a lot of Vitis labrusca wines; Fragolino is produced in Canton Ticino, the italian-speaking district of Switzerland.
Moreover, also Austria produced a Fragolino like wine: the Uhudler. When Austria entered EU, it was made illegal here as well, but, thanks to the protests of producers and consumers, Austria managed to obtain a derogation.
Following grapes are allowed by Austrian laws for Uhudler production: Concord, Isabella, Elvira, Clinton, Ripadella und Noah.
I have tried it and its taste and smell are very close to those of real Fragolino.


Edited by - Zac on 12 Jul 2006 09:57:39
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Nerothefiddler
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 :  20:25:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have just joined the site after trying to find info. on Fragolino on the net.Had my first bottle today,and was quite taken aback by the taste, like nothing I've tasted before.Have not decided whether I like it or not!.
Disappointed to read that it is not authentic.
For anyone interested, it is currently available at Aldi's stores in the UK at Ł4.99 a bottle.The legend on the label is 'Toso Fragolino' and all script in Italian. Would be interested in a translation from a native, or Italian speaker!.
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Goran80
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Croatia
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Posted - 20 Sep 2006 :  19:41:18  Show Profile  Visit Goran80's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just this afternoon I read that it is against law to make wine out of Noah and Isabelle grapes in Croatia, yet these two sorts are the absolutely dominant vines in my hometown and outlying villages. Almost all personal use wine from grapes grown in gardens is made of these sorts. My grandmother grows it and we make 100 liters or so for personal consumption. Not all that good, but I've had worse. Its the effort that counts. :D
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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 :  21:12:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wdonovan

Is Brachetta di Acqii of the same family? I recently had some and it reminded me of this old thread about a wine that I never had (Fragolino).


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Posted - 17 Oct 2006 :  21:18:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fragolino (meaning strawberry) is an Italian grape which was banned due to it's high alcoholic content, and Brachetto d'Aqui is very much like a milder rose, Ive just ordered a load...
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Olan Giech
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Italy
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 :  10:49:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have this variety in my garden, see the "The Real Fragolino" thread.

I was informed that the commercial sale of this wine was outlawed in 1994 because during the fermentation it is possible, to produce a poison. Now a lot of that was probably lost in the translation. However I think methanol level is what is meant by poison.

I have 60lts fermenting away for another two days before syphoning it off. I tried a glass of it last night and I'm impressed, however my neighbours who also make their own wine (a rose mixture of a red malvasia and the Uva Fragola Bianca) have warned it is not a wine for drinking everyday because of its affect on the liver, and that I should be aware of not fermenting too long as the wine will be too strong.

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Edited by - Olan Giech on 06 Nov 2006 10:50:22
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 :  17:04:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi.

I too have been looking for information on Fragolino but not where to buy it but how to make your own.

There must be a special process to bring out the strawberry flavor and to control the muskiness. I have read from American books that in order to make a better wine from Labrusca grapes it is best to press the grapes to minimize contact with the bitter skin, is this correct? Where if making wine with vinifera you would crush and let it steep on the skin before pressing.

You should have a go at growing your own, spraying with verderame is not essential like it is with vitis vinifera. We have planted some Noah grapes and plan on making wine with them.

What makes the better Fragolino, Isabella or Noah? Also, do you know if the Delaware grape is available in Italia, I've looked for it many times but all I can find is Isabella and Noah.

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iovalu
Wannabe

USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2007 :  03:16:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Zac
the american name for Fragolino is Isabella.
I like fragolino but i have not found american made ones.
i've been buying the Italian NANDO brand which as you say is chemically flavored. also DUCHESSA LIA and TORCIANO make fragolinos in Italy. I'll be buying the Isabella vine next season and make it myself. So in a few years if you come to the states i'll give you a couple bottles of my fragolino.
buy the way I was born in Italy. Fondi, Latina.
and yes they still make fragolino there.
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Mark
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Posted - 24 Dec 2007 :  11:42:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Friends, it is good to hear that such interest surrounds a beautiful thing like fragolino. Sad, though it has become an endangered species. My own experience was a hot, hot day in Venice, Italy. I had walked around from sun up to early afternoon with a heavy backpack. Upon stopping into a small restaurant between St. Mark's Sq and the Rialto bridge, tired and dehydrated, the waiter simply poured me a two ounce serving of a red liquid that I did not ask for, prior to my ordering of lunch. The bottle had no label. It was cold, sweet and like NOTHING I had ever tasted before. It occured to me that it was strawberry wine (which, up until then, I had thought was cheap stuff that teenagers or hobos drank). That wonderful sensation, ten years ago, has haunted me ever since. About a year later, I was reading one of Tim Park's novels ("Italian Education"? I think...he writes a lot of good books about living in Italy, and in a few chapters discussed indigenous wine making, drinking, breaking the law with sugar additives, etc), on one of the pages he describes Fragolino as bootleg strawberry wine. I knew in an instant that that was what was served to me in Venice. If anyone ever finds an online merchant who will ship real fragolino, please email me markvshea@hotmail.com. And good luck to all of you who are searching for or making it!
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